Photos of Children Smoking

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Priscilla smoking: ©Joseph Szabo 1969

Thomas Hawk alerted me to yet more silliness from Flickr. I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions, but do read the threads. This is a magnificent photograph, don’t you think? If it, or the one that started this had been deleted because it was ’stolen’, then fair enough. I’m in danger of losing more than 60 seconds of happiness.

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This bloke asked me out: photo purloined from the internet somewhere by Femke Hawkesworth aka Flickr’s Shhexy Corin in 2007

Update 23.09.07:
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20 Comments

  1. Ms Moll
    Posted September 22, 2007 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    I really can’t decide what I think of this – I don’t think I’m in favour of censorship.

    However, I don’t like photos of people smoking (whatever age), but that’s a personal opinion due to many family deaths from cancer.

    Live and let live I say, if people want to take the photos, and people want to view them – and no one is getting hurt – then why the hell not. Surely the point of photography is to capture the world AS IT IS, not as we (or anyone else) might want or hope it to be.

    I guess my question to Yahoo would have to be – where does this end?

    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:30 am | Permalink

      Ok… 1.) This is ridiculous how bad you guys suck at spelling..

      2.) I agree with every bit, smoking has over 60 cancer causing compounds in it that are going right into those poor little weak children’s bodies..

  2. Posted September 23, 2007 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I agree.

    There are lots of things I don’t like: bombings, murder, coca cola. But does that mean they shouldn’t be photographed? Or that photographs of them should be removed, from anywhere? I do understand that there are places where some photographs might be more appropriate than others. But the seemingly arbirary decision, that apparently is being applied in some cases, and not others, all over Yahoo, is very disturbing.

    I hate smoking, but if people, including children, are doing it, we need to see it.

  3. Posted September 24, 2007 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Flickr is not and never has been somewhere you can post anything you like without the chance of it being removed for whatever reason. The ToS are quite clear.

    I think Flickr have learned something from this and have been fairly open about what that is. Essentially a member of staff got trigger happy, which no doubt they have had a good talking to. They did not though do anything that the ToS does not provide for though similarly what happened does not make for a happy photo sharing community. It will probably happen again at some point. There are after all a lot of photos there and it’s managed by people. I do not think what happened is indicative of a wider malaise.

    What I find more distasteful is the people who are most scathing in their attacks on Flickr in the various threads do not act on their apparent disgust and leave. I guess no longer being part of the *community* and losing all the faves and comments is a price to high to pay.

  4. Posted September 24, 2007 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Well,as I said in one of the many forum streams that sprang up after the initial one was locked, I doesn’t make me any happier to see the Nanny State privatised in the form of Yahoo/Flickr. I think I’m old enough to decide for myself what I want to see.

    I presume there won’t be any references to Romeo and Juliet on Yahoo either – we know what they got up to…

  5. Posted September 25, 2007 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Alex: it’s disturbing that one of the world’s biggest photo sites is regularly making these kinds of decisions, and their loyal following roundly deprecates dissent.

    Ian: that just one member of staff can seemingly do this, seems so peculiar and arbitrary. You’d have thought after the Rebekka debacle, they’d have put something in place so that there were checks and balances in the system.

    Maybe they’re playing some kind of Russion roulette game with their content, maybe they like the brouhaha? Who knows.

  6. Posted September 25, 2007 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Alex – I am leaving – my account is pretty much moribund and I will not be renewing it when it expires in February. I have a contract though, that I have paid for, and I think I can reasonably complain when Flickr do not uphold their end of it.They do not have the right to do what they want, their right is to deliver what I paid for – which includes a consistent level of service.

  7. Posted September 26, 2007 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Gah! They just get worse and worse don’t they? My stream is still there, but I haven’t uploaded anything since the censorship issues got too much for me. I’ve left my visual anti-censorship comment at the head of my stream so people know why I’m not there anymore. I think I’ll add a link to this issue.

    I’m getting warier about using any of the photo sites these days. Currently, a friend of mine is making plans for a small place for him and friends to put photos, that can be easily RSS’d. I think I may go there

  8. yuuki
    Posted March 26, 2009 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    well it just show’s how bad perents are at rasing kids, its just disgusting .

  9. Isabella
    Posted August 22, 2009 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    I`m tired of see people smoke, it`s not cool, it`s nasty.. People have to take better care of their kids.. Pore kids, they should not be left alone on that way..:(

  10. Brad
    Posted September 23, 2009 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    I totally agree with all of the comments here. Obviously some images are much more innapropriate than others, but they happen in the world, so if its happening all around us – why censor them on the internet!?

    I also walk past my local school everyday, and I think it is absolutely discusting to see Y7 students (12-13) Smoking. And yet, the police do not do anything about this. Shocking.

  11. DANIELLE
    Posted October 6, 2009 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    ITS PERANTS THAT ARE LETTING THERE CHILDREN SMOKE ITS UNBERLEAVE ABLE

  12. Posted November 6, 2009 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    smoking is a causes heart desis plz quite smoking cecause it dosent make sense when u smoke it advise from u r brother mujtaba

  13. coolestloser
    Posted November 8, 2009 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Just think, for 1 cigg it takes 7 mins off an adults life how many years will it take off of a kids. The people should be ashamed for bringing ciggs into our world!!!!!!!!!!!:(

  14. Lewis
    Posted November 13, 2009 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    In the colored picture, the kids cigarette isn’t real. You can tell because if it was almost out(shown in the picture because you can see where the filter starts), most of the smoke comes out then. And you can tell that there’s no smoke coming out of the cigarette. I’m not sure about the girls, but the way it’s dangling out her mouth seems unreal. Just my thoughts

    • Posted December 14, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

      it might be lit youl never know wether it is lit or not. smoking afeccts others around you

  15. Posted December 14, 2009 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Children should not smoke it is bad for breathing and it also affects your lungs alot it makes your breath smell horible.

  16. Posted January 1, 2010 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    what is wrong with people these days

  17. caris porter
    Posted January 12, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    this is shoking but the first one has to be edited in MY GOD i truffly smoke and i know it is disgusting and i am trying so very hard to stop so hopefully it works out for me and those children !!!!!!!!!!!

  18. klaudia.x.x.x.x.
    Posted January 28, 2010 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    listen yeah people a lot of children smoke and you really cant help it it might be that these children smoke every day and these are good pictures because it shows what is going on in the world and makes you aware that you can really help some things

    i used to smoke but i quite after i had to do a project against smokin but no parents could help me but alll i can say is that PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAIMD OF BRINGING FAGS INTO OUR WORLD :/

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